[Christianity] The Holy Ghost revisited.

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Is worshiping Jesus sacrilegious?

I never understood how Christianity could be a monotheistic religion but worship Jesus and God. Some have told me that Jesus is God but I don’t recall Jesus saying he was God. I recall John saying Jesus was God, but I never could find a verse where Jesus, Himself, said anything about being the same or equal to God. I did find some verses where Jesus admitted to having the Holy Spirit, but he also says that He isn’t the first or last to have this Holy Spirit. So I’ll leave you with a few bible verses and ask you, is worshiping anyone/thing else but God “the father” sacrilegious if you believe in a monotheistic religion?

Mark 12:29
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Matthew 19:16-17

16And behold, one came and said unto Jesus, “Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?”
17And Jesus said unto him, “Why callest thou Me good? There is none good but One, that is, God.

Matthew 12:32
Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

Luke 2:25
Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him.

Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

9 Replies to “[Christianity] The Holy Ghost revisited.”

  1. Brandon says:

    I thought I might take a stab at this one…
    John 20:26-29 clearly makes it known that Jesus is God.

    Romans 3:2 speaking of the Jews…”to them were committed the oracles of God”. The Bible does not contain God’s Word….it is God’s Word.

    I considered your argument and verses that you left. The verses are true, but I believe your interpretation to be a bit inaccurate. I got the feeling you were leaving this open to discussion…so I left a few comments…hope you don’t mind.

    Mark 12:29
    And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

    Here Jesus summarizes the first 4 commandments which states that there is only one true living God. He comes in three forms (God the Father, God the Holy Spirit,God the Son) but He is One. So here he is more so making it clear that you do not worship anyone/anything else. Jesus is God the Son. God has multiple names and forms, but He is One. Matter of fact, as according to prophecy when Jesus was born they named him Immanuel, meaning “God with us”.

    Matthew 19:16-17
    16And behold, one came and said unto Jesus, “Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?”
    17And Jesus said unto him, “Why callest thou Me good? There is none good but One, that is, God.

    Here Jesus questions the young rich ruler to see if in fact he believes the Jesus is the Son of Man. The only One who can ultimately answer the question about goodness is God. The fact that Jesus went on to answer the question is a quiet claim to deity. As a matter of fact, there are other instances where Jesus asks similar questions to test the faith of those he was questioning. For example, in Matthew 9:27-31 two blind men ask Jesus for mercy and he replies “Do you believe that I am able to do this?”…they say yes, He heals them saying “According to you faith let it be to you” and then He STERNLY WARNS THEM “see that no one knows it”.
    Why? Jesus wanted to discourage the masses from coming to Him for physical healing alone…His primary purpose was spiritual healing. Spiritual healing comes from faith in Him…without faith what difference does it make if He blatantly says I am God…His own people rejected Him. Physical healing simply served to authenticate His claim to be the promised Messiah.

    Matthew 12:32
    Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

    all sins are forgiven save one…. What will not be forgiven is the stubborn refusal to heed the Holy Spirit’s conviction and acceptance of the forgiveness that Christ offers. If you do not accept His forgiveness and receive Him as your personal Savior, you will not be forgiven.

    Luke 2:25
    Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him.

    Not sure of how you conclude Jesus is not God from this verse.

    Revelation 19:10
    And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

    In this verse, an angel is speaking to/rebuking John for his error.

  2. mikitamanda@yahoo.com says:

    How about non of that stuff makes sense, if you ask me its a bunch of he said she said stuff…

  3. Brandon says:

    Actually my source was strictly the Bible and just understanding what was actually going on…sorry you feel that way.

  4. aka tito says:

    Thank you for taking the time, Brandon. Let me rewind to the how I started this train of thought. I was having a conversation with a friend and I said that I read the bible as well as other religious holy books and I believe in God and that’s it. I added that Jesus, Buddha, and Osiris are basically all the same just from different parts of the world. I quoted a verse to her that I honestly couldn’t find when I searched. Jesus said, “Do not worship me, worship my father.” I know I read it somewhere I just can’t remember where it is. It seems wrong to me to worship a person even if this person had the Holy Spirit. I believe that all prophets had the Holy Spirit and the Bible is the story of one of them.

  5. mikitamanda says:

    You don’t have to be sorry. The bible is no actual source its a bunch of stories and interpertation of humans (just like me and you in a different time). I believe Jesus was a man just like me and you the only difference is that he was honorable, faithful, pious and disciplined, he conquered all his demons. It’s hard to find people like that and I think with the quote you have there tito… “Do not worship me, worship my father.” He said it right! Brandon all of your quotes Jesus says “DO NOT WORSHIP ME” it’s like everyone missed that point. Only when John (who ever he is) states:John 20:26-29 clearly makes it known that Jesus is God.

    Why should I take John’s word…and not Jesus’s….

  6. Brandon says:

    Mikitamanda, (yes I came back to see if anyone replied lol)

    other than in your post, I see no previous quotes stating “do not worship me”. The devil is a liar (im not calling you the devil), cause faith in Jesus is the only path to salvation…not through works and good deeds alone…that is what the Bible says, and that is what I believe to be the Truth.

    secondly, John was one of the three closest disciples of Jesus and it clearly states his purpose in John 1:6-9.

    Believing that Jesus is the Son of Man, and knowing what that means is a decision that each individual has to make. I cannot and will not attempt to make you believe in what the Bible says. The Bible is the Word of God. The fact that all of the prophecies have come true save one (the second coming of Christ) and the fact that it’s text is exact compared to the Dead Sea Scrolls speaks volumes in itself. God’s Word has never changed.

    This is a great debate, and I repect your beliefs and feelings on the matter…we obviously have diff views and we’ve made them well known…I will end my side by saying this: the Bible has many applications, but only one interpretation. It does not contain God’s Word…it is God’s Word (there’s a diff)…study whats going on before and after a particular verse you take out(if you chose to do so), otherwise it’s very easy to take it out of context…thats with anything you read/listen to. Finally, if you’re going to discredit the Bible because you think its an interpretation of humans, then why credit any another source against the Bible?

    For me…if choosing the Bible as the source of Truth is wrong, then consider me lost in the sauce homey lol

  7. aka Tito says:

    I must ask you, Brandon. Do you think that the Bible is the only book that contains the word of God. I ask this because in a recent conversation with a born again Christian, she was positive that the Quran was not the word of God. I also asked her about Buddhist, Hindu, and Egyptian text i.e. the Book of the Dead. What is your view?

  8. Brandon says:

    I believe that a lot of religions have similar views in certain aspects, but also many fundamental differences. I also believe that the Bible is God’s Word, therefore anything written in contradiction to the Bible I believe to be false.

    Can bits and pieces of the Bible be found in other texts? certainly so, but I haven’t extensively studied any other religious texts to point out specifically where. I’ve definitely been encouraged to do so (and I will eventually), even by my own Pastor as we do compare/contrast and use other texts in our studies. But all in all, the Bible is used as the source of truth because we believe it to be God’s Word and not just contain bits and pieces of God’s Word.

    Beyond that, my current ignorance to other religious texts does not allow me to answer intelligently.

  9. mikitamanda says:

    Brandon, I understand that you believe the bible is the word of God but I want to understand why? Who convinced you that this is the word and the way? and the only way??

    “The devil is a liar (im not calling you the devil), cause faith in Jesus is the only path to salvation…not through works and good deeds alone”

    I think you are calling me the devil because it seems like with chritianity anything that doesnt agree with its belief came from the devil. (BE AWARE OF USING YOUR MIND AND COMING TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSION) But its okay!

    So your trying to say that I can live a good life, involved in volenteer work and chairity, living a life of good character, morals and values and telling people to live good foundational lives that Jesus would turn me away at the heaven gates ?? Come on? That’s so irrational “and human thinking like”
    Why would God give us the right to chose but take it away if we don’t chose his way?

    This is what turned me away from Christianity and most religions. God word at it’s simples yet best is to live life GOOD. He gives you the choice to do as you please. But he lets you know their are consequences (which is not hell, there is no such thing). With everything you do in life, there are consequences or cause and effect. With the more good things you do the more good will come to you. You commit evil and that too will find it’s way back to you.

    I believe in God but I am okay with saying that I don’t know what happens after death. I am okay with saying that there is more then what the bible says is true. I am okay with saying I don’t know and maybe we will never know. and I think there is a reason God gave us a mind to go over these perplexing questions of life. He wants us to question and disagree and find ways of making things better. If we just agreed what would be the point of this powerful mind we have all been given?

    I just believe that religion is like mind murder. The bible and other religion books uses fear (If i dont profess jesus as my savior, one way ticket to hell.) to stop you from thinking further and it turns you into a robot and even after being a robot alot of christians still don’t understand why GOd is not in their lives or why they are unhappy….o yea it will come after this life… 😉

    Do you see where I am coming from Brandon? Or why I think the way i think. I was raised catholic then became a born again christian then went to atheism and now to agnostic. As you can see I have always thought of my spirituality and felt a closeness to the creator. But I am an intellect and a critial thinker. Just as Atheism didnt make sense, christianity is same.

    I hope you write back Brandon…

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